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quoted 5 lines I DO think it's a VERY difficult thing to pull off well, and I think

> I DO think it's a VERY difficult thing to pull off well, and I think >that it'll probably be more prone to fail than fly at this point. > But hey, like I said, IDM if ever moving forward. Maybe I just haven't >met the artist who, for me, will bridge the gap between these two very >divergent styles.

I actually agree on this. I try to track down as much hip-hop as stuff that gets talked about on this list, and find that most anything I've heard that was produced by this-listy producers falls down. I don't like Funkstoerung, so I guess my opinion is coming from quite a different set of values than those who've rated or rejected their recent mix efforts. The thing I wanted to add to this follows what Andrew Schrock said re: the production of eg. Blackalicious and the Anti-pop Consortium being really contemporary with "electronic" stuff. Most people I know who are sold on hip-hop see one of its key characteristics being that it pushes boundaries. Because of that, hip-hoppers don't say "that's not hip-hop, it's IDM with an MC", they say "this is taking hip-hop to the next level". So the stuff that comes from within the hip-hop community isn't necessarily picked up on as IDM-friendly, because the very characteristics of the genre include the fact that it constantly changes. Disclaimers: yeah, I'm generalising (obviously what the mainstream calls for is the complete opposite of the above); I use the word "community" with hesitation, etc. etc. :-) Michael np. 'Innervisions' - Stevie Wonder -+- Involve Records http://involve.co.nz Jet Jaguar MP3s http://mp3.com/jetjag/ -+- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Hip hop that pushes the limit: (top five imho) 1. DJ Krush - Kakusei (Sony) 2. Company Flow - Little Johnny from the Hospitul (Rawkus) 3. The Roots - Things Fall Apart (MCA) 4. Mos Def/Talib Kweli - Black Star (Rawkus) 5. Mos Def - Black on Both Sides (Rawkus) jsoh -- String Theory : Digital Music for Humans http://www.enteract.com/~yoshi/index.cgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Wed, 24 May 2000, Michael Upton wrote:

quoted 3 lines The thing I wanted to add to this follows what Andrew Schrock said re: the

> The thing I wanted to add to this follows what Andrew Schrock said re: the > production of eg. Blackalicious and the Anti-pop Consortium being really > contemporary with "electronic" stuff.

I haven't heard the Anti-Pop Consortium, but I do have a collection of Blackalicious records... and frankly, I really don't see how they're all that different from, say, the early 90s "native tongue" family of hip-hop groups like A Tribe Called Quest or De La or Blacksheep. (In fact, the main rapper's voice certainly has that awesome nasal quality like Dres from Blacksheep)... Sure, they're on Mo Wax.. and they happen to hire as remixers this-listy folks like Cut Chemist, Aphrodite (don't know if jungle is considered this-listy or not).. but other than that, just an outstanding hip-hop group (which is a rare thing these days)... and nothing more "IDM" than other hip-hop groups. If you haven't already done so, I HIGHLY recommend checking some of the Bay Area folks like El Stew, Eddie Def, Space Travelers, bladdy bladdy blah... If any group, it's this gang that seems closest to the fusion of hip-hop sounds and this-listy type music... and they pull it off without a single hitch, and maximum booty momentum at that. Check out El Stew's "No Hesitation" (the green record), V/A "Deep Concentration" and "Deeper Concentration" compilations for more... ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> KUCI 88.9 fM in Irvine, CA -- Orange County ======================================================================= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I still think the most limit pushing hip-hop ever was and still is "It Takes A Nation..." & "Fear Of A Black Planet" era PE. That stuff is just really avant garde. Really dense and noisy. And the lyrics on those are pretty much the only rap lyrics that move me in any way. No one has really followed up on that approach either to my knowledge, except maybe Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy, but Franti's flow was kinda wack. It really makes me angry recently when I watch all these shows on MTV or whatever and they're picking best rap this or that ever and no one seems to remember anything about PE. It's always some Notorious BIG bullshit or something. It's a fucking crime. Andrei Josh Davison wrote:

quoted 8 lines Hip hop that pushes the limit:

> Hip hop that pushes the limit: > (top five imho) > > 1. DJ Krush - Kakusei (Sony) > 2. Company Flow - Little Johnny from the Hospitul (Rawkus) > 3. The Roots - Things Fall Apart (MCA) > 4. Mos Def/Talib Kweli - Black Star (Rawkus) > 5. Mos Def - Black on Both Sides (Rawkus)

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On Wed, 24 May 2000, Drusca wrote:

quoted 3 lines I still think the most limit pushing hip-hop ever was and still is "It Takes A

> I still think the most limit pushing hip-hop ever was and still is "It Takes A > Nation..." & "Fear Of A Black Planet" era PE. That stuff is just really avant garde. > Really dense and noisy.

To generalize the same sentinent, anything the Bomb Squad produced around the time was just amazing... One in particular being Son Of Bazerk Featuring No Self-Control And The Band... Bomb Squad + Black Power + The Furious Five, as someone else put it... [Insert obligatory Meat Beat Manifesto plug here as well] > And the lyrics on those are pretty much the only rap lyrics

quoted 3 lines that move me in any way. No one has really followed up on that approach either to my

> that move me in any way. No one has really followed up on that approach either to my > knowledge, except maybe Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy, but Franti's flow was kinda > wack.

I disagree.. Franti had just the right touch with Hiphoprisy... though it still won't compare to the maniacal Beatnigs... Think Fishbone + Einsterzende Neubauten + Fugs + Residents + Tackhead... [Apologies in advance for all the lame band comparison math..] ======================================================================= Brian MacDonald <brianm@kuci.org> KUCI 88.9 fM in Irvine, CA -- Orange County ======================================================================= --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org